Alex Ferrari 1:27
I wish to welcome to the present, Lucy. Hey, thanks a lot for leaping on.
Lucy V. Hay 2:34
Effectively, thanks for having me. So good to be right here.
Alex Ferrari 2:37
I do know it is taken us a minute to get up to now.
Lucy V. Hay 2:41
Sure, we had, I believe it was six months, I believe we align our schedules.
Alex Ferrari 2:47
I do know our schedules are a bit hectic, however I am so glad we lastly be capable of make it work. I have been desirous to get you on the present to choose your mind a little bit bit about in regards to the enterprise. However earlier than we bounce in, how did you even get began within the the movie enterprise? All proper.
Lucy V. Hay 3:02
It is a it is a actually type of lengthy and concerned story.
Alex Ferrari 3:06
A brief model then.
Lucy V. Hay 3:08
Okay, the quick model is I did I did a level in screenwriting for movie and tv. Again within the day, I used to be right here within the UK throughout that course in 2000. I graduated 2003 I used to be a single mom again in these days, and I did not have any little one care. And I actually, actually needed to be concerned in screenwriting indirectly. I wasn’t actually positive how I simply knew that I needed to be a part of the trade and, and I actually love the event of tales and, and simply actually type of being concerned in whichever means I might mainly. And in the course of the time that I used to be on the diploma, I needed to do some work expertise to move the course. And through that point, I managed to get a some work expertise studying screenplays for a literary agent, and varied different locations as effectively. schemes and a lottery funding initiative and varied issues like that. In order it after I got here out of college, I assumed effectively, you already know, possibly there’s room for somebody who can really learn individuals screenplays, and really seek the advice of on screenplays to really assist individuals get higher and have higher alternatives and higher methods of type of breaking in as a result of after I was studying within the spec pile for brokers and for producers and for varied schemes and competitions, one factor I seen was that there have been quite a lot of first drafts or actually apparent errors and other people weren’t actually doing peer assessment a lot then it was all earlier than social media. It was all earlier than blogs and issues like that. So I assumed effectively, you already know, possibly there is a room for any individual like me who might be some kind of a visor. After which I could be concerned in, in screenwriting, and with display writers. And the it was simply it took off actually rapidly. And I assumed I’d be dealing predominantly with new writers, writers who have been wanting to interrupt in. And while that was true, I in a short time began getting purchasers who’re a lot greater up the ladder. And I used to be studying for individuals who have been working in tv is working in films. And earlier than I knew I used to be even even had some purchasers who have been, you already know, fairly well-known. I used to be like, wow. So I figured I have to be doing one thing. All proper. And I believe one of many the important thing parts for that for type of making the splash that I did was most likely the weblog. I used to be one of many first individuals to type of get into screenwriting. As a blogger, though there have been plenty of screenwriting blogs, from screenwriters viewpoint, there weren’t so many in regards to the precise craft of screenwriting. In these days, particularly within the UK, there was issues like John August’s weblog, and across the identical time go into the story began. And varied different web site or wordplay, ones like that, however they have been all very, very American. And I noticed that there was this, this type of hole available in the market, in the event you like for UK, screenwriting recommendation, particularly as like a instructing weblog. So yeah, I dived in with each ft and, and so like 1015 years later, right here we go.
Alex Ferrari 6:36
Superior. Now, what are a number of the largest errors you see in first time filmmaker or first time screenwriters?
Lucy V. Hay 6:44
Oh, God, I believe most likely the very first thing can be that they do not they’ve an concept or they see a trailer of their head, or they see some like imagery of their head, or possibly only a character or one thing like that. And so they do not actually know what the story is, they do not know what it is about. They do not know how plotting works. They’re pondering most likely actually deeply thematically, however they don’t seem to be essentially serious about the precise blow by blows of the plots. And they also get themselves all tied up in knots as to what the story is actually about versus what’s actually occurring. And they also find yourself writing these loopy, loopy drafts the place you possibly can learn your complete, like 100 and web page 120 Web page screenplay and you continue to don’t have any clue what what’s occurred. It is identical to an explosion. It is like a stream of consciousness throughout. And that is most likely what everybody does. I believe in some unspecified time in the future, I do know I did that actually everybody, after they begin out, whether or not they’re writing a screenplay, or a brief story, or a novel or no matter, they can not actually get their ideas so as. They know that there is bits and items that they wish to wish to say. And possibly they have a extremely attention-grabbing voice or a extremely attention-grabbing concept or an attention-grabbing character, however they only cannot make all of it gel collectively. So I believe that is most likely the primary type of most evident factor that occurs. One other factor that occurs is individuals’s ideas and loglines, simply actually half baked, you already know, they both do not make sense, or they’re actually by-product, or they’re simply boring. And also you type of go what, what the hell is that? I do not know what that’s. And that often occurs after they’ve come to the belief that Oh, really, I can not simply write the stream of consciousness, I’ve acquired to try to type of manage it however then they may over manage it manage it in such a means that it is nonetheless not recognizable, or as come out of the left area, or is to say me, too, what’s gone earlier than. Different issues which might be actually apparent is dialogue, there’s far an excessive amount of dialogue within the common spec screenplay. Even when it is good, they most likely nonetheless do not want a 3rd and even half as a lot as what the acquired. In order that they neglect that it is a visible medium, you already know, they’ve fallen, quite a lot of writers fall in love with dialogue. And a few of them are actually good at dialogue, however they neglect the visuals. Alternatively, possibly they go too far the opposite means. And it is very nice and visible. However once more, it is not coherent. You simply you do not know what’s actually occurring. And so that you really need extra dialogue. However that does not occur fairly often. It is practically all the time an excessive amount of dialogue, I discover which I believe’s actually attention-grabbing.
Others different issues, construction is a giant challenge. Folks simply do not understand how construction works, as a result of they have not completed sufficient analysis into what construction means to them. A number of individuals say, Oh, effectively, you solely want a starting, center and finish and never essentially in that order, which is what financial institution to put in writing believes as effectively. However you additionally do must understand how different individuals have structured issues earlier than you and that does not imply you need to use pictograms and worksheets and all that type of stuff. Nevertheless it does imply that in the event you’re film is like Blade Runner is like alien or is like, no matter. You do must understand how these tales have been structured and why they have been so attention-grabbing to you, and why you wish to do one thing in that type of vein. As a result of if you do not know how they crafted their stuff, then how are you going to know craft your personal stuff. So it would not actually matter the way you construction, it would not matter in the event you use save the cat would not matter in the event you use three, three acts, or the mini film technique or the 22 steps, use no matter you want, nobody cares. Nevertheless it wants some kind of construction. And fairly often issues go flawed in construction, like a really basic one can be beginning too early. So you find yourself with a extremely lumpy type of first act particularly. Or it begins very well however then it has an enormous dick within the center and, or you find yourself operating on the spot or one thing like that, or resolutions, you already know, the endings could be too rushed, and it is like, oh, it is throughout what the hell simply occurred? That type of factor. So these are the type of basic structural points. After which lastly, I’d say the type of the subsequent apparent one can be characterization. Folks do not know what good characterization is. And what what is nice characterization. Effectively, I imply, how lengthy is a bit of string, however the two issues that you simply want for good characterization is a job perform, what they’re doing within the story, after which additionally their motivation, which is why they’re doing issues you already know, why? What do they need within the story? Fairly often writers will perceive motivation, however they will not essentially perceive function perform. Position perform of issues like protagonist and antagonist they often get these Okay? protagonist, often, today antagonist could be a little bit extra up within the air however often most of them can get these two major ones it is often the secondary characters the place issues go flawed, the mentors the roles phrases, the love pursuits, you already know, all these sorts of secondary supporting type of characters will go flawed, they will be boring or they will or they are going to have over thought them some someway I imply, fairly often individuals get actually indignant about love curiosity in order being feminine as an example, however moderately than really altering the love curiosity to a male and making it a homosexual love story, for instance, which could make it a bit extra recent. They may flip it into like I learn quite a lot of rom coms that don’t have any romancing. Like
why is there no romance in his rom com which sounds insane and that is as a result of it’s as a result of we want romance in a rom com and in the event you don’t love the truth that sure characters or love pursuits as an example, as an example, then do not write rom com you already know, one thing else, however individuals attempt to reinvent the wheel loads and issues get uncontrolled in a short time. I imply, even an auntie rom com remains to be acquired romancin You already know, it is simply that the you already know, an xe rom com is sort of a unhappy rom com You already know, it is humorous, nevertheless it’s tragic as a result of it do not find yourself collectively you already know, one thing like 500 days of summer time that was an incredible Auntie rom com one thing like Loopy Silly Love was an auntie rom com, you already know, it is all in regards to the relationships the place issues go flawed, and possibly you will not get better from them. However you realized one thing and so it is nonetheless hopeful and it is nonetheless helpful in it is not a tragedy tragedy, the place every part is ruined. So however they do not know the distinction between a rom com with no romance and an auntie rom com and, and I believe what I am actually speaking to you about now could be the truth that writers do not do sufficient analysis, they do not do sufficient analysis into the craft, they usually do not do sufficient analysis into their artwork. You already know, if you wish to write a rom com, you need to be watching as many rom coms as doable. If you wish to write a horror, you need to be studying, studying and watching as a lot horror as you possibly can. You have to be studying novels in that style, you need to be immersing your self in your craft, and in addition within the within the types that you simply wish to do. It is it is it sounds apparent, and that is as a result of it’s however sadly, quite a lot of writers do not actually get that they are saying I have not acquired sufficient time. I have not acquired sufficient time. I have not acquired sufficient time to put in writing. So I wish to write each evening and it is like, effectively, you’d really get your writing completed loads faster. When you immerse your self in within the scenario. That is what professional writers do. They immerse themselves in a narrative. And in that story world.
Alex Ferrari 14:33
What so what you are telling me is that my concept of to convey again dinosaurs and have them in a park might be not going to fly these days.
Lucy V. Hay 14:42
Effectively, I imply, you would give it a strive. I believe somebody might need acquired there earlier than you. I imply, actually. I imply, all people all people loves dinosaurs. You already know, actually each
Alex Ferrari 14:52
I am joking. I am joking.
Lucy V. Hay 14:55
When you really might discover some kind of twist on that dinosaur story, then By all means, you already know, I imply, we have been speaking there about style busting, you already know, in the event you can convey us one thing that we have seen earlier than, that is pre bought like dinosaurs, like vampires like werewolves like no matter. Zombies, yeah, in the event you can really convey us one thing that we have by no means seen earlier than, and make any individual like me, a script reader or a script editor go, Oh, God, why have not I seen this earlier than? Then they are going to move it up the chain to their boss and say, you already know, I’ve, you will by no means guess what I’ve seen, you already know, a brand new tackle the vampire fantasy. And so they’ll be like, You are joking. It is like, no, I actually have right here you go. And that is what will get all people excited is that this notion of style busting, and bringing one thing that we have by no means seen earlier than. I imply, we’re speaking about the identical however totally different, and most writers do get that after some time, however they most likely focus an excessive amount of on the identical Enos and never sufficient on the distinction.
Alex Ferrari 15:52
Now what to say is you’ve got learn so many scripts, what do script writers search for, in a screenplay, particularly, like these the little the little giveaways and like, Oh, that is that is I am gonna I am gonna I am gonna move this and, and take it up. Take it up the ladder.
Lucy V. Hay 16:07
Aha, so a script reader, what does this? Yeah. We’re in search of one thing that appears like a script within the first occasion, you already know, you would not consider a number of the
Alex Ferrari 16:20
stuff written in phrase not a lot.
Lucy V. Hay 16:22
Oh, no, thanks, tech. nerd, I believe so one thing that appears like a script, within the first occasion, is all the time a plus. We have now this factor now. I imply, all people is aware of in regards to the first 10 pages and the way it’s acquired to, you already know, do what it is, you already know, set it arrange the story and introduce the characters and, and make us perceive what, the place it is going within the first 10 pages, even when that is a lie. However in actual phrases, as a result of there’s so many submissions, now, you’ll want to actually begin on web page one with a bang, you actually, actually need to seize somebody massively on web page one, now you want an incredible visible, you already know, in the event you’ve acquired dialogue on web page one, then it must be a extremely cool line. You already know, it may well’t be one thing actually boring. And the typical first web page of the screenplay is actually boring. It is any individual actually strolling into the body and speaking about one thing. And doing Oh, this can be a huge introduction scene of some form. And it is like, that is not attention-grabbing. You already know, once we wish to begin with one thing actually intriguing, or surprising, or devastating, or attention-grabbing, one thing that makes me go, I imply, I learn screenplays all day for God’s sakes. And but, I infrequently sit up and go, ooh, on web page one, as a result of I am used to issues being, you already know, not essentially grabbing me. However that very first picture, that opening picture has acquired to essentially seize me. I imply, I learn one yesterday that I used to be blown away by it was superior. It was the very first thing, you already know, the very first thing I did, after studying it was name up my all my buddies and say, you will by no means guess what I learn a superb web page one. And so they’d be like, No means. As a result of script readers do not learn good web page ones fairly often. In order that’s, that is a part of a part of it. One other factor that we’re in search of is confidence. You will not consider how type of apologetic quite a lot of writers write, you already know, you have to actually personal the web page, I suppose. That is what individuals imply, after they speak about voice, this notion of confidence, and really opening the web page and really saying, you already know, that is my script, you already know, we do not need all these vanilla screenplays which might be actually simply actually bland, we wish one thing that is going to seize us. Once more, we’re speaking about this notion of being actually hooked. So not simply imagery, however the best way you write it as effectively, you already know, a way of confidence, a way of voice. One other factor that we wish as effectively is an intriguing character of some form, one thing that we’ve not seen earlier than. As a result of though typically storylines can really feel a bit like they’re, you already know, like we have seen them earlier than. I am so bored of seeing the identical characters time and again, and there will be the identical characters in numerous genres and totally different types you already know, individuals are going to suppose a bit extra exterior the field. And I am happy to say that we’re really seeing much more range now. You already know, there was some extent the place it was all male leads they’re all white on a regular basis. And naturally there are some nice movies and TV reveals with with white male leads. It could be absurd to say that there there aren’t there are some actually, actually good ones. However does it need to be that man each time each time you already know what extra are you able to convey to this character there is a scenario by making it a lady by making it an individual with a incapacity by making it any individual who’s homosexual or straight or transgender. And simply, you already know, simply mixing it up a bit. And, and only a nice sense of construction. It is so uncommon to discover a effectively structured screenplay. It is so uncommon. So each time that occurs, and it makes, it makes it really easy to learn, and when one thing’s a straightforward learn, you learn it quick, and also you move it on quick. If you need to learn it, and it takes a very long time, your your curiosity goes to wane, you are going to neglect, you are going to put it to 1 facet, you are going to neglect to name your boss or your or your collaborator or no matter. Whereas in the event you learn it and go, Wow, superb. You are going to be choosing up the telephone, you are going to be writing an e-mail, you are going to be writing a tweet going, oh my god, I simply learn one thing superb, you already know, and all that type of stuff. And that creates buzz, and that makes you much more probably as a author to get into somebody onto somebody’s radar.
Alex Ferrari 20:46
Excellent. That is a superb reply, by the best way. Wonderful reply. Now, what are some tips about promoting dramas in as we speak’s market, which they’re simply so troublesome, however I might love to listen to some concepts of yours?
Lucy V. Hay 21:02
Effectively, in fact, I wrote a complete ebook on this referred to as Writing and promoting drama screenplays. However mainly the potted model of rights of claiming you understand how to promote a drama, since you’re completely proper. Drama is a grimy phrase within the present market. You already know, there’s quite a lot of quite a lot of producers on the market promoting their dramas and thrillers, for instance, after they’re not likely thrillers in any respect, though a few of them do an excellent job. I imply, I noticed considered one of my case research, and the ebook known as hours. And it is by the author of a rival Eric Kaiser. And it was his directorial debut. And was a incredible drama. It wasn’t about fatherhood, it was about duty. It was it was simply lovely. It was actually, actually good. And it was the final job that is the late Paul Walker from Quick and Livid did
Alex Ferrari 21:58
the film Sure. Yeah, it
Lucy V. Hay 22:01
was an incredible it was an incredible movie, I liked it. However they did promote it as a thriller, the distributor, they’d him on the on the entrance cowl trying all rugged and harassed was going, you already know, prefer it was they usually had him on the again. And he had any carrying a gun and all that type of stuff. It does appear to be a thriller. So some some distributors, and a few producers as effectively will promote dramas as thrillers, particularly if it is acquired a really compelling type of survival parts in it like ours, as a result of it was set within the New Orleans hurricanes. So in the event you’ve acquired some kind of hook like survival scenario, then possibly you would do this as a thriller. However that could be a little bit of a cheat, actually. However however it may well work. Having stated that, you possibly can inform it’s actually good. I will promote it as a comedy, as effectively, as a result of there was a film about most cancers referred to as step mother stated starring Susan Sarandon and Julia Roberts, lovely story about an ex spouse who has to go away the care of her youngsters, along with her with the brand new spouse’s husband. She’s dying of most cancers, the ex spouse and she or he has to go away her younger youngsters with Julia Roberts, the brand new spouse and their father, and it is all in regards to the two girls attending to know each other. And truly getting over resentment, and, and, and the unfairness of the scenario due to course, she would not wish to die and all this type of stuff. And it was it was heartbreaking and delightful, actually, very well completed. However they bought it as a comedy. And though there have been bits that have been humorous, as a result of it was very a lot from the tragic component of you already know, in the event you do not snigger, you cry. It wasn’t a comedy. It was a drama. However the distributor bought it as a comedy. I keep in mind the trailer and see. Yeah, and I do not suppose they even talked about most cancers within the trailer.
Alex Ferrari 23:53
They do. In fact, who’s gonna watch that film? It was
Lucy V. Hay 23:57
precisely so nevertheless it was an attractive movie I noticed on Yeah, sores on tv accidentally, and I used to be weeping buckets. It was so good, good performances. So yeah, so thriller or comedy, you already know, attempting to provide it that type of sense. That may work once more with this notion of points as effectively issues like most cancers, issues like teenage being pregnant with Juno, you already know, you possibly can you can provide that as a hook, you already know, utilizing points as a hook to promote them can work. That stated, in terms of drama, typically, you are not going to promote a drama within the basic sense, such as you would promote a style piece not in not within the within the present market. So mainly, what occurs is you are not promoting stuff by way of by way of really, you already know, getting a examine and getting in and you already know, saying jaws in area and getting them to do a clean examine to you and all that type of stuff like you already know, like all people needs however mainly what you are doing is you are writing The Finest Drama that you can imagine the very best devastating one each greatest whimsical one, greatest survivalist one, no matter that’s, and your recruiter, and it is type of like a recruitment drive, you are type of getting individuals on board with you, you type of basically name your self the author producer, in the event you like or, and also you’re recruiting all people onto your journey and making them type of get on board with you and assist you to make this movie. I imply, I used to be studying about or forgotten his identify. The man who did he was the producer of Dallas Patrons Membership. And we’re gonna be speaking about Sure, and it is simply utterly gone out of my head, which is, which is actually annoying.
Alex Ferrari 25:46
That is a straight drama, that could be a straight drama. Precisely, precisely.
Lucy V. Hay 25:49
However in fact, it is about points. And it is it is a it was a really type of preside prescient type of challenge due to course, it launched to the mainstream, the notion of transgender characters. And it was it was one thing that was fairly darkish, and in addition had some some moments of of sunshine and shade, and made an enormous cultural influence in the identical means that most likely one thing like Philadelphia did with Tom Hanks about 20 years earlier than. And apparently, across the identical time that Philadelphia was made and was getting all its Oscars with Denzel Washington and Tom Hanks, Dallas Patrons Membership was doing the rounds, it was actually in growth for about 20 to 23 years. Initially, apparently, Woody Harrelson was going to play Matthew McConaughey is a component which you’ll be able to see cannot use. And it simply it simply stayed in growth hell for a protracted, lengthy, lengthy, lengthy, very long time, as a result of no person needed to make that movie. And anyway, the producer Kassian yields that his identify Catherine your final finance a number of occasions to to make Dallas Patrons Membership. As a result of mainly, it was his pet challenge. It was his ardour challenge. He actually, actually needs to make this film, as a result of he thought it was vital. And he was completely proper. And ultimately, when he misplaced it for the third time, he simply acquired out his Rolodex or his filofax, or nonetheless he does it and simply name individuals up begging them for cash. And he ultimately discovered somebody who stated who he stated, Look, mate, I gave you your begin in filmmaking. So now give me the cash to make this movie. And the man stated, Oh, no, no, no, no, I do not, I do not suppose I do not wish to make that movie about about AIDS and stuff, it is an excessive amount of of a downer. I do not wish to do it. I do not wish to do it. And he goes, Look, it is actually vital. We will win all of the awards, it should make an enormous cultural influence. I assure it, you already know, Cassie newels had that a lot perception. And the man stated, You already know what, I’ll provide the cash. However whenever you go to the Oscar ceremony, you have to take me with you. The remainder is historical past they need all these Oscars and casinos took took his mate to the Oscars inside, you already know, and it is, it is like, wow, you already know, you have to have that type of perception, whenever you’re making a drama, you need to perceive that, until you are prepared to get behind it 100% like that, then it is most likely not value writing a drama, you most likely wish to be doing one thing else, you already know, you most likely wish to write a horror or one thing you can promote loads simpler. As a result of in the event you suppose that writing a drama and promoting it simply because it is decrease finances than common goes to make it simpler. It is not, it is nonetheless like 30 million occasions more durable to make a drama than a style piece. In order that’s all the time actually value serious about. Every time my writers come to me and say, I actually wish to do a drummer, I say, Effectively, how are you going to do that? And in the event that they have a look at me blankly, I am going, Oh, expensive. As a result of you do not know the half of it, you already know, nevertheless it you already know, typically they will come to me and say, proper, I am gonna make this superb drummer as a result of this subject material is actually vital to me. And I’ve acquired this technique, I’ll go I’ll get the cash from from this scheme I’ll get the cash from from these sorts of product placements and varied buyers and all that type of stuff. I am gonna take it to all the assorted movie festivals, I’ll win a great deal of awards, I am going to verify it will get into the Oscars. I’ll go all out to go you already know, to the nth diploma with that, and I and each time any individual involves me with that, I am going incredible. I’ll assist you to as a result of they know what they’re speaking about.
Alex Ferrari 29:42
Yeah, then dramas are dramas are such a novel style in movie as a result of they’re the one which type of like you possibly can simply tweak it to make it a comedy or you would tweak it to make it a thriller, or a minimum of have these parts in it. For some for promoting factors of view the place You already know, typically there are these stray dramas like Dallas Patrons Membership, you already know, I do not even keep in mind if there was any humor, I believe there needed to been a joke or two in there. However you possibly can’t promote that film, clearly, as a comedy. And the opposite, the opposite style that will get actually abused is thriller. Now, what’s the definition in your opinion of a thriller? We’ll be proper again after a phrase from our sponsor. And now again to the present.
Lucy V. Hay 30:32
Effectively, Thriller thrills, so you already know, that is that is type of, you already know, all people is aware of that as a result of it is within the identify. However, you already know, what does thrilling really imply? And and I believe there’s two type of key issues which might be in a thriller, once more, one thing I imply, each thriller and drama are two issues I really feel actually passionately about which I needed to as a result of I’ve written a written a ebook on every of those phrases, by way of thrillers, by way of the what I’d name a definition of thrillers is a thriller often has some type of component of thriller to it, there’s often they often have to seek out out some kind of reply to a query of some form, who was behind all of it, in the event you like. After which it might be a straight thriller as effectively, you already know, the notion of the whodunit as effectively. However even when it would not have a thriller parts, as a result of not each thriller has a thriller component. As a result of on the finish of the day, a thriller simply has the fun, it may well simply be thrilling. That is the purpose. So I believe what’s predominantly the purpose of thrillers is that it is in regards to the chase of some form, whether or not they’re in search of like a mysterious reply to a query, or whether or not they’re actually chasing somebody. It is in regards to the chase, actually or metaphorically.
Alex Ferrari 31:49
Now could be there’s there cuz in a horror movies, quite a lot of occasions can both be tweaked to be thrillers as effectively, as a result of, arguably, you already know, I simply watched it the opposite day, and it’s thrilled, it undoubtedly thrilled, you already know, nevertheless it additionally scared. So, how do you mess around with that definition? Or are we actually simply stepping into the weeds?
Lucy V. Hay 32:14
Now, I believe there’s I believe there is a appreciable distinction between thriller and horror, lots of people type of combine them up and say that, you already know, that they are the identical. And positively there’s some mixing inside the style, you already know, thrillers could be horrifying. And horrors could be thrilling, you already know? Whereas, however in the event you’ve take it proper right down to the inspiration ranges, a thriller is for the chase, and a horror report the scares, you already know, horror is meant to scare you. And so, you already know, typically you discover being scared, thrilling, and that is nice. However is there a way of thriller there? Is there a way of Chase, they’re most likely not mandatory. I imply, one thing prefer it, for instance, is a basic horror, as a result of sure, there are thrilling parts in it. I liked it, when he jumped out of the fridge and out of the room, and all that type of stuff. I liked all of that, as a result of it’s thrilling to me as a result of I get pleasure from being scared. However finally, it And arguably, most of Stephen King’s work, usually is about vanquishing the beast, there’s this unhealthy factor, and you’ve got to cease it. That is the purpose of horror. And so it is about being scared. And it is about vanquishing the beast and who, who might be extra each Beasley than Pennywise.
Alex Ferrari 33:31
He is horrible. Oh my God. What an attractive. What an attractive rendition of that novel. It did. They did such an attractive job, and all the time good. I can not look ahead to the sequel. I can not look ahead to chapter two.
Lucy V. Hay 33:44
Yeah, no, I can not. I imply, I, I’ve loved the primary TV sequence model of it. Very superior. However quite a lot of the plotting was fairly wack. Actually. It was simply it was it was only a bit lumpy and unusual. And it actually type of it was very 90s. And quite a lot of actually bizarre stuff occurring. It was it
Alex Ferrari 34:07
was additionally to the film. So it wasn’t, it wasn’t an precise, you already know, full blown characteristic movies might need not taken as a lot time that, you already know, the caliber of the writers might need been totally different. It might have been a complete complete kinds of reasonings. However sure, I didn’t see the Tim Curry model. Or if I did, I do not keep in mind it, as effectively. I do keep in mind him. However this, proper, however this model, however this model, he was simply eerie and scary. It was simply it was superbly completed. Stunning. And I really like that that was within the 80s. That sure, as a result of now we faucet into that great, the great factor that is simply operating rampid proper now over Hollywood and over films usually is nostalgia. Are you able to speak a little bit bit about nostalgia and what’s it proper now as a result of we have had nostalgia for some time. I imply, you possibly can you possibly can return to examples like American Graffiti. That wasn’t For the 50s, and it is all the time a few many years again, I seen it is like two or three many years away. After which we will return and be nostalgic about it. However the 80s has one thing very particular about it, there’s something distinctive about that, that that 80s And now 90s, to each, which
Lucy V. Hay 35:20
I believe it is distinctive. I believe it is simply the truth that we’re previous now. Folks, people who find themselves 35 Plus are trying again on occasions of the 80s within the 90s, with such fondness as a result of every part appears easier, then, you already know, there was no social media, there was no individuals in your face with, you already know, you would go away for the weekend. No person might problem you, you already know, now you’ve got acquired bloody mobiles on a regular basis.
Alex Ferrari 35:44
We weren’t at battle, the financial system was good for probably the most half.
Lucy V. Hay 35:47
Not essentially. I imply, there was quite a lot of stuff occurring. And positively within the UK within the 80s. There’s the miners strikes, there was an enormous recession, you already know,
Alex Ferrari 35:57
earlier than, earlier than us within the US. I imply, yeah, we had the Chilly Conflict, however the Chilly Conflict within the Nineteen Eighties, late 80s and 90s, have been just about an financial growth for us. Yeah, you already know, there was there have been, you already know, and we weren’t at a battle till the 90s with the Desert Storm, nevertheless it wasn’t like an ongoing battle continually. And it is simply a way more advanced time now, with out query.
Lucy V. Hay 36:21
I am undecided it’s really, I believe I believe there’s all the time been crazier, you already know, loopy issues occurring on the earth. I believe we simply hear about them extra now. sorts of stuff occurring within the 90s that we by no means heard about on the time, you already know, the Taliban taking, you already know, the stronghold and stopping all the ladies going to work and you already know, the the Chechnya and rebels and the destruction of the USSR and Yugoslavia was gone. And
Alex Ferrari 36:49
I believe we have been ignorant again then. And that simply we did not get the data as a lot. It is simply now we’re overloaded with it.
Lucy V. Hay 36:56
Yeah, I believe so. I imply, you already know, the the genocides which might be occurring in locations like Rwanda, for instance. It simply each bit as unhealthy because the issues that ISIS are doing, and Yeah, apparently, that is that is these are the worst occasions that we have ever lived in. Really, I believe we have all the time lived in horrible occasions. And I believe we have all the time lived in great occasions. I believe it relies upon the place you’re. And and I believe we’re trying again with nostalgia for the 80s and 90s. As a result of we’re trying by way of rose tinted spectacles. Now, I liked my, you already know, being a toddler or being an adolescent, and all these sorts of issues. However I am not, I am not denying the truth that I had issues and the world had issues on the time. And I believe I believe that is one thing that lots of people neglect. And the Victorians consider that nostalgia was really a illness, you’ll really change into sick, you’ll really change into sick for the previous. And I believe that is what quite a lot of us do now. And naturally, it is simpler than ever to be sick for the previous, due to course, you possibly can look on the web and see all these nice issues that you simply used to have or used to consider you had. And, and now you suppose that now the current is is garbage. And I believe that is an actual disgrace in plenty of methods. As a result of you already know, you’ve got solely acquired now there isn’t any, now
Alex Ferrari 38:05
there isn’t any you do not have tomorrow, you do not have the previous, it is all Now,
Lucy V. Hay 38:10
none of us understand how a lot time we now have. And sadly, quite a lot of us wasted by worrying about issues which have already gone, worrying about issues that may not occur, and saying that every part about now could be horrible. And, you already know, all people worries, all people will get irritated about stuff, you already know, they acquired a crap boss or their groups, allow them to down or something like that. However on the finish of the day, you need to type of try to hold gratitude in your coronary heart for the truth that you are not useless.
Alex Ferrari 38:45
Very, that is an excellent level. On the finish of the day, like you already know, what you need to be grateful to you are not useless, I imply, you are right here would possibly as effectively get pleasure from it when you’re right here and benefit from the current second. And that is the one factor you actually have management over. And I believe that is a good way to put in writing a personality. You already know, as a result of additionally characters quite a lot of occasions have the identical neurosis that we now have as human beings
Lucy V. Hay 39:11
which was going to ask you want ology, I’ve had I’ve suffered from melancholy earlier than? So it may be completed.
Alex Ferrari 39:20
With out query could be
Lucy V. Hay 39:22
Yeah, it is it is one thing you already know, lots of people get actually irritated and say, oh, you already know, whenever you say that, you you are you are sticking the boot into individuals who have psychological well being points. And it is like, no, I’ve acquired each sympathy for individuals with psychological well being points. You already know, life is tough. And typically, you already know, the chemical compounds in your mind actually screw with you. I do know that simply as a lot as anybody. However you already know, we now have to reframe issues, the unhealthy issues, and we now have to type of hope for the very best as a result of what else is there? There’s actually nothing else.
Alex Ferrari 39:53
Just about just about. Now, you additionally wrote one other ebook about writing various characters. Are you able to give any Vyas in a small tips about write a various character and what’s your definition of a various character?
Lucy V. Hay 40:06
Effectively, I imply, various character, you already know, the notion of the phrase range, it simply means selection. You already know, for lots of people, as quickly as you say range, they suppose that you simply imply race, or they suppose that you simply imply, LGBT or feminine leads as effectively, we’ll come underneath that due to course, feminine leads are a lot much less prevalent than the male leads. So these are the three that individuals instantly consider. After which I’d additionally say, effectively, disabled characters are as effectively. And it is really surprising how little range there’s, in exhibiting the disabled expertise on display. It is actually, actually stunning in the event you really break it down what number of disabled characters you see. Practically all the time wheelchair customers practically all the time male, practically all the time white, they practically all the time wish to kill themselves. It is, it is fairly unhappy.
Alex Ferrari 41:05
It is really fairly unhappy. It’s actually unhappy. I imply, the my left foots of the world are uncommon. Yeah,
Lucy V. Hay 41:11
yeah. I imply, it is, it is, it is unlucky, as a result of, you already know, one in 5 individuals within the UK and the US have a incapacity of some form. And there is many, many in what they name invisible disabilities as effectively that individuals cannot essentially perceive. As a result of they bodily cannot see them. However they creates, you already know, huge challenges in individuals’s lives. We additionally are likely to see disabled individuals solely in drama, as a result of drama is about battle. And we initially we you already know, in a position bodied individuals instantly suppose oh, effectively, in the event you’re disabled, then your life is unhealthy, which in fact is nonsense is absolute builds. And so it is actually nice to see increasingly disabled characters in style items. So, for instance, Furiosa can be the apparent selection, that was nice. She was so good. And he or she you already know, she did not simply have a incapacity, she had basically an improve, as a result of As a result of had she not had the robotic arm, then Max would have fallen from the rig and gone on to the wheels of the of the truck. And naturally, she saves him. And he or she would by no means been in a position to seize him like that along with her regular arm, she might solely seize him along with her robotic arm. And we have seen robotic arms loads in Hollywood, which I all the time discover actually intriguing. You already know, Bucky from Marvel has acquired a robotic arm now acquired a vibranium arm over Canada gave to him. There’s detective Spooner, performed by Will Smith within the iRobot. In 2005, he had a robotic arm as effectively. And we have seen different robotic arms usually. And naturally, the Mad Max universe has all the time positioned incapacity at its coronary heart, proper within the very first film throughout the franchise. And so I wish to see extra characters, you already know, in disabled story worlds, the place individuals, you already know, have points to do with their incapacity, however possibly, however not essentially the entire their complete story. I’d like to see that. I’d like to see extra working class characters, particularly from UK writers, you already know, we now have we now have a little bit of a grasp up on lords and girls and all that type of stuff over right here.
Alex Ferrari 43:22
Is there’s there I heard there is a wedding ceremony occurring.
Lucy V. Hay 43:27
I’ve no concept. Critically. I used to be on a prepare on final week. And one of many issues came visiting the tannoy saying, Oh, that there is going to be main disruption on the road subsequent week subsequent weekend. And I assumed What the hell’s occurring subsequent weekend? And I needed to Google to seek out out it was the royal wedding ceremony. I used to be like that is how disinterested the typical particular person is within the within the royal wedding ceremony.
Alex Ferrari 43:48
I do know. They’re obsessed about it right here. I imply up cess it is yeah, my
Lucy V. Hay 43:53
sister lives in Australia they usually’re obsessive about it over there as effectively. And you already know all my Australian buddies and American buddies hold saying Oh, you are prepared for the for the royal wedding ceremony is like how can I be prepared for the royal wedding ceremony? I am not going all people you already know individuals assume that everyone in Britain goes to this wedding ceremony.
Alex Ferrari 44:11
I assume it is the as a result of we do not have you already know, kings and queens right here. So I assume I assume that is the factor I assume like I do not know. I do not know why why People are so enthralled with it for a lot. I am not I simply each time I flip the tv on. I see these guys. I am like, I do know means an excessive amount of my means. I do know means an excessive amount of in regards to the wedding ceremony already. And I am not even following it.
Lucy V. Hay 44:34
Yeah, I’ve managed I’ve managed to mute and unfollow just about everybody who likes the marriage now. So I’ve managed to be in blissful ignorance. In order that’s nice.
Alex Ferrari 44:46
Now so once more, one one final query wish to ask you? How do you assemble a correct pitch as a result of I do know that is such a troublesome factor for for writers and for filmmakers usually to pitch their concepts in your in your opinion. How do you suppose correct pitch?
Lucy V. Hay 45:02
Effectively, I’d say the very first thing you want is to consider your logline and the way you really talk your story and the logline. I typically speak on financial institution to put in writing about what I name the three C’s of an excellent logline. So we’re speaking about readability, which is clear, it is acquired to be clear, however you will not consider what number of log traces simply aren’t clear. And so you do not actually know what’s occurring. And it is a actually good factor to do is to examine for readability all the time and publish them in locations like effectively, the financial institution to rights Fb group could have a, you already know, you possibly can write it on the wall and all of the banker writers will chime in and provides their suggestions on the on the log traces. And that actually works particularly on readability points. As a result of then you definately’ve acquired like, fairly often 10 and even 15 individuals will chime in with their suggestions. And if they don’t seem to be getting it, then you already know that you simply acquired an issue. There’s one other nice web site referred to as log line it. So it is log line.it. And you may really put your log traces up there and ask for suggestions. One other one which you are able to do is Reddit has an incredible group referred to as simply referred to as screenwriting and you may put your logline up there you do need to be pretty robust stomachs to Oh,
Alex Ferrari 46:17
sure. Anytime you go on to learn it, you need to have a powerful abdomen.
Lucy V. Hay 46:22
Yeah, you do. So in the event you get upset simply to do not go on Reddit is my is my brutal recommendation.
Alex Ferrari 46:30
Brutal, like they’re the worst?
Lucy V. Hay 46:32
Oh, completely. Brutal. I imply, there was this man on Reddit the opposite week. I imply, he was occurring and on and on at me, I needed to mute him. Ultimately he was occurring about how I did not have completed the factor in my profession and the way I used to be actually unhappy, blah, blah, blah. I used to be like, Whoa, you are unleashing a lot vitriol on me. I imply, for God’s sake. However you already know, no matter. Examination it is very unhappy place, little question. However yeah, so Reddit could be brutal. However within the banter writers Fb group, we’re all the time very, you already know, the entire level of it’s ethical assist. And, and peer assessment. So you already know, by all means, put your loglines there so readability would be the first see of the three C’s character is one other one. So, you already know, who was on this? What have you learnt? What’s, what’s their motivation? What’s what’s the level of them being in, on this factor. And fairly often, we now have the identical type of characters, even in loglines. One factor I’ve seen over time is what I name the adverse adjective feminine. And there is all the time, you already know, the guilt stricken younger lady or the bereaved mom or one thing actually adverse, after which she has to beat one thing, you already know, even in a style piece, and it is like, Oh, my God, why cannot we simply have a kick ass females? 5 ones? Why do all of them need to be guilt ridden? Why do all of them need to be traumatized? Oh, my God, you already know, so. So, once more, flag up some actually attention-grabbing issues. After which the final one can be conflicts, you already know, what’s the scenario this character finds themselves in? So we’re speaking, readability, character, battle, that is the three C’s and the keys of an excellent logline. From there, I’d say by way of pitching particularly in the event you’re pitching in actual life like a pitch fest, or or on you already know, a kind of, you already know, Skype conferences you can ebook with, with varied producers and stuff. Now, the very first thing I’d say is, introduce your self, you already know who you’re, whether or not you’ve any credit, and really say what you are going to be pitching whether or not going to be pitching a characteristic or a brief movie or
Alex Ferrari 48:48
TV. Simply do not simply simply do not simply bounce into it.
Lucy V. Hay 48:52
No, no, do not know do not simply learn out your your logline. So I’ve had quite a lot of very unhealthy pitches over time the place they mainly simply type of sit down and go and simply bark a logline at you. And you are like, Whoa, what is going on on? We’re
Alex Ferrari 49:04
human beings keep in mind that? Precisely. You
Lucy V. Hay 49:06
know, and it is actually, actually good. If you may make some kind of connection, all the very best pitches I’ve ever heard somebody sat down and stated one thing like, Oh, hello. Oh, you already know, I’ve learn your weblog. I actually preferred your article about blah. You already know, I do know you want feminine leads, I do know you want thrillers. So I’ll be pitching a thriller characteristic for you as we speak. And I am instantly pondering, Oh, this particular person’s completed their homework, they know what they’re speaking about. They know me they know of me. And it simply provides you an excellent type of connection at first of the pitch. You do not have to say you want issues in the event you do not. However if in case you have occurred to have watched one thing that somebody’s made or learn their articles or or one thing, you already know, you’ve some kind of like prior data otherwise you’ve met them earlier than possibly you already know, I’ve had had an excellent pitch solely the opposite week when a girl got here in and stated Oh, hello we met girls in movie and TV. which is a union for ladies who work in movie and tv right here within the UK. So we met there earlier than. And we had a little bit chat rapidly about that particular person. Then she informed me a logline. And you already know, we had that type of sense of connection and rapport. And naturally, I remembered her afterwards. And that is all the time helped. So yeah, introduce your self, say what you are pitching, say your logline, try to ship it conversationally, in the event you can, do not simply learn it out, after which be accessible for questions on it. And earlier than you go to the pitch, try to consider the questions that they may ask. I imply, that does not imply that you simply’re essentially going to cowl all of them. However to really have an concept of what they may say offers you confidence and confidence is what all the time powers an excellent pitch.
Alex Ferrari 50:45
Very cool. Now, are you able to inform me a little bit bit about financial institution to put in writing within the good work you are doing over there?
Lucy V. Hay 50:51
Banks, proper is a effectively, it began off as a display writing weblog solely. After which over time, it began to type of change. And I began to speak about characterization. Typically, I began shifting extra into script modifying, in addition to script studying. So I began to I acquired commissioned to put in writing these two books on writing, which in flip, acquired me extra jobs on engaged on dramas and thrillers particularly. So I began to type of actually speak about style actually speak about drama, particularly as a result of I discovered myself speaking about thriller and horror loads. So I speak loads on the weblog about drama, loads about thriller loads about horror, began speaking increasingly about various characters as effectively, which that led into the into the third ebook. But in addition, one factor that I seen over time was that individuals, you already know, writers actually needed to attach with me. And so I created the Fb group, which is actually full of life, and actually related and actually inspired now. And so I’ve type of bringing that forwards and backwards between the primary websites, and the social media type of pages, and in addition the primary financial institution proper teams. So no matter they’re speaking about within the group, I’ll make it possible for I write about on the primary website, as a result of I do know that it’ll, you already know, energy the positioning and energy the chat within the factor and enhance the sense of neighborhood and simply make it extra cohesive. And one factor that I seen that the financial institution writers actually preferred was issues like quotes and success quotes and inspirational quotes. So I put quite a lot of quotes on the on the weblog, and what we will study from them as writers, I did one not too long ago about Rocky and the way he used the Patriot to say to writers, as a result of I actually suppose that I believe it is nice, as a result of he is so motivational, and he is so non secular. And so you have to go on the market and do it, which is one thing that I really consider as effectively. And likewise by way of different issues they like, they like productiveness articles, so you understand how to get writing completed. You already know, there’s quite a lot of writers on the market who’ve, you already know, very diminished home windows wherein to put in writing I do know, I do, I imply, I am knowledgeable author, as effectively, I write novels, and weblog copy. And, you already know, I am simply writing stuff on a regular basis continually. However I nonetheless have much less time than I wish to write my very own speculative work as effectively, you already know, I’ve acquired, I’ve simply been planning a challenge not too long ago that, you already know, I have not even proven to my agent but. It is only a story that I’ve, I really feel a burning need to, to inform. However I do know that I’ve acquired one million different issues to do first, so I’ll need to do it on you already know, hold it on the again burner and hold writing, you already know, 1000 phrases right here. 1000 phrases, they’re identical to the banker writers who should still have day jobs in utterly unrelated issues. So I write loads about productiveness, I write loads about self perception and motivation as effectively, particularly when the financial institution writers have have been by way of, you already know, actually unhealthy rejections. As a result of one of many nice issues about banker writers on Fb is that when any individual is rejected, they may publish of their resume or be rejected. Everybody’s like, ah, chin up, it’s going to be alright, you already know, hold going, all that type of stuff. As a result of solely different writers actually know what it is wish to be rejected. You already know, I can say, I imply, I acquired rejected, sure. And my husband got here house, and I informed him, I have been rejected. And he was like, Oh, no. And he went out and acquired me a bottle of wine, which could be very good of him. However I do know, he would not, he isn’t a author, he would not know what it is actually wish to be rejected. So the very first thing I did was get on the telephone to a few of my author buddies, and so be rejected instantly, like, ah, Nightmare, you already know, and I will do the identical for them as effectively. We do the identical within the Fb group as effectively. And so yeah, we speak about and that, you already know, a great deal of various things to speak about novel writing increasingly as effectively. Due to course, I am getting actually into that I really like writing my novels. And it is simply because it is good to have a change as effectively, as a result of I spend so lengthy proper studying screenplays, and, you already know, writers stuff. It is typically good simply to put in writing in a very totally different medium. Though I really consider screenplays and novels as being the identical. I actually define them in the identical means you already know, with reacts and character motivations and function capabilities and all that type of stuff. I do them precisely the identical means. It is simply novels are thrice longer, and a bit extra psychological as effectively.
Alex Ferrari 55:12
You additionally write nonfiction books as effectively. Yeah,
Lucy V. Hay 55:15
yeah. So yeah, I’ll write it. Yeah, I’ve even write these actually with three acts, to be sincere.
Alex Ferrari 55:24
What are the three books that you simply that I do know off the highest of my head is the one the writing drama, operating? That is
Lucy V. Hay 55:30
proper writing and promoting drama screenplays, writing and promoting thriller screenplays. After which it is writing various characters for fiction TV and movie. In order that third one really incorporates novels as effectively, due to course, we’re speaking predominantly about characters. And naturally, character, proper? Whether or not you’ve got acquired a personality in a screenplay or a personality in a novel is, you already know, the identical factor. They’re simply possibly offered otherwise. However aside from that, they’ve the identical type of genetic make-up, very make-up.
Alex Ferrari 56:01
Now I’ll ask you, some council a number of questions. I requested all of my visitors, it should be type of like pace spherical. What recommendation would you give a screenwriter wanting to interrupt into the enterprise as we speak?
Lucy V. Hay 56:13
I’d say get an internet site and do on-line networking as a lot as doable. Study what it’s to do good on-line networking through social media and through your weblog, and really convey individuals to you. So in different phrases, create a platform. I believe that is actually actually vital. Trying again, I did that type of instinctively. And and it is actually led me it held me in good stead.
Alex Ferrari 56:39
Very cool. Now, are you able to inform me what ebook had the largest influence in your life or profession?
Lucy V. Hay 56:46
Oh, blimey, there’s been so many. I imply, I learn it, I examine 100 books a 12 months. So it is troublesome to say actually? Is it fiction or nonfiction button?
Alex Ferrari 56:55
Both one, and simply one thing that involves your head?
Lucy V. Hay 56:59
I believe for me, weirdly, the one which type of actually stands proud for me after I most likely and I might most likely suggest probably the most to individuals would most likely be we have world by Clive Barker, as a result of it made such an enormous impression on me as like a 13 12 months old style woman. I imply, it was it was filthy in so some ways. And nevertheless it wasn’t Yeah, precisely. extremely imaginative. And so visible, it was so massively visible I went on to learn all his different ones like picture happen and, and the midnight meet prepare and all his comedian books and all this freaky bizarre stuff, Cabal and, and all that type of stuff. And it and it made an enormous, huge impression on me, though I do not write fantasy, simply the visuals of it. They by no means left me and I may even after I consider these phrases, I can see them in my head. So yeah, I needed I needed to be like him. And, and actually, you already know, hopefully at some point I shall be nearly as good as him.
Alex Ferrari 57:59
Now, what’s the lesson that took you the longest to study whether or not within the movie enterprise or in life,
Lucy V. Hay 58:04
um, do not take issues personally, I believe particularly when
Alex Ferrari 58:08
you are on Reddit.
Lucy V. Hay 58:12
I imply, typically individuals type of get underneath my pores and skin, however 9 occasions out of 10 Now they only bounce off me, it simply would not hassle me, particularly on-line. And positively, as a result of I’ve began to note that when you’ve an enormous on-line platform, you begin to discover the the trolls and the and the adverse individuals say precisely the identical issues precisely the identical means. And so the extra you are uncovered to it, the extra you change into proof against it, it is type of like a mad on-line type of vaccination in the event you like. So it is fairly uncommon that issues actually hassle me on-line. Sadly, in actual life, when issues occur, I they actually nonetheless can get me down even Now, having stated that, I get better loads faster than I used to. It was once that you already know, one thing occurred with my household, or one thing occurred in my marriage or one thing like that. It could take me You already know, I wasn’t resilient. It took me ages to type of get better from it emotionally. However now, as a result of I have been doing plenty of work on myself about that. I believe I believe I am significantly better than I was undoubtedly so yeah, do not take issues too personally specifically not within the trade. As a result of individuals say issues for
after they simply work on the premise that they do not imply it and and in the event that they do imply it, simply inform them to go you already know, F themselves.
Alex Ferrari 59:35
Okay, and three of your favourite movies of all time.
Lucy V. Hay 59:40
First one must be alien left an enormous, big elbow mark. I watched it after I was about 11 That can do it. That’ll do it. Yeah. And and I used to be actually shocked and and it simply completely overwhelmed me and I simply could not cease serious about it. After which I rewrote alien in my in my Numerous notebooks for about 5 years afterwards, excellent in the identical factor a few woman going into area and getting attacked by monsters. And a few of them have been Alright, so I’ve acquired a few mine notebooks and pondering, effectively, possibly I ought to do one thing with a few of these sometime. So yeah, in the event you ever see in the event you ever see an area story from me a few woman being attacked by monsters, you already know why? One other one that actually type of made an enormous influence on me can be Blue Valentine, the drama starring Ryan, nice. One other Cassie Newell’s one really, that he produced. And it was so good. It was so true about you already know, the character of divorce and love and that, you already know, the the connection between women and men. It was it was, it was so brutal. And so true and so lovely, and tragic. And simply terrible. And oh, God, it was simply it was so good. I actually, actually liked it. So yeah, Blue Valentine can be one other one. And I believe the opposite one can be Toy Story. As a result of I had, I used to be about 14 when that film got here out. And I keep in mind, you already know, I might by no means actually seen 3d 3d Animation earlier than that. I imply, I do know it was round however I do not keep in mind ever seeing it. Definitely by no means seen a film with it. And I keep in mind going to the cinema and and I keep in mind being dragged to see it as a result of I used to be gonna go to see youngsters film, I am a grown up. And, and I used to be like, wow, I couldn’t consider I couldn’t consider my eyes. I imply, really, whenever you have a look at the primary Toy Story, now it appears fairly dated in glory three. However at the moment, that was the very best they might do. And it was I used to be amazed by it. And I used to be additionally amazed by the truth that it was a household film moderately than simply the children. And I simply liked all of the you already know, like, Hey, I am Picasso and his sight paid primarily based on sideways, you already know, the potato. And I used to be simply I keep in mind get I keep in mind getting it and laughing. And I used to be the one one which laughed within the cinema. Nevertheless it was as a result of it was as a result of I reside in Devon within the UK, which is tiny. And there was solely about 20 individuals within the cinnabar. However I keep in mind pondering Why do not the grownups get it? And that is after I began to suppose, oh, you already know, there’s such a factor as a literary phantasm. And there is such a factor as subtext. And there is such a factor as, as this stuff which might be put in, you already know, these in jokes for grownups and for classy individuals in issues which might be comedy and stuff. I began to note totally different various things and the way you would be 14 and get a cultural reference like that. However a grown up sitting subsequent to me did not get it. I used to be like, Oh, that is attention-grabbing, totally different responses to totally different to various things. Not all people’s the identical. And so, you already know, all of those films actually type of, you already know, set off issues in my in my head because it have been, I imply, due to Blue Valentine. That is after I needed to put in writing the drama screenplays ebook, so when my writer stated to me, you already know, do you wish to write one other writing ebook the very first thing I considered was Blue Valentine however I wish to write one thing about that someway I wish to I wish to type of have you learnt, look into what drama is and what the trivia of of that factor is as a result of drama could be something can actually be something so how do you get down you already know, a minimum of with thriller, you already know that thriller thrills and it is acquired to be thrilling indirectly and it is acquired to be about Chase It is acquired to be in regards to the thriller or in it in order that Chase is figurative or or literal. However you already know what’s drama? What’s it and what’s it that makes me serious about it when one thing is so devastating as say Blue Valentine versus one thing like Little Miss Sunshine which isn’t devastating in any respect, nevertheless it nonetheless has pathos in it so what what’s the distinction? And so yeah, that that set that off and made me suppose yeah, what’s what is that this factor about emotional reality and drama?
Alex Ferrari 1:03:51
Now working individuals discover you in your work
Lucy V. Hay 1:03:55
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Alex Ferrari 1:04:43
Effectively, I will be certain to place these hyperlinks and in addition hyperlinks to your books within the present notes. Lucia it has been great speaking to you for this final hour. Thanks a lot for dropping some good data bombs on on the tribe. Thanks a lot.
Lucy V. Hay 1:04:56
Oh, you are welcome.
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